What's your question? The fact that it is important for American History?
Funny boy... Most of my Family History Is Irish... was just curious about maybe some reading material..Yes i can read ...Cork in County Cork is where my great grandfather lived before he came to the US.
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across the sky … . E per avvincere…..Tu
dovrai vincere ...
We were born to shine…All of us here
because we believe......
Ah. I don't know of any good Irish history sources. While my grandfather was Irish and I really enjoyed the class it was an extension of English history for me. You can't really figure out how some of the English nobles came to the conclusions that they did on how to best manage the American colonies until you study how they did it in Ireland. Needless to say they learned the wrong things in Ireland. For example, when the Ulster folks thumb their noses at the governing bodies and say screw you...someone gets on a boat and sails back to England. It take a VERY short time and when you wake up the next morning British expeditionary forces are there eating your breakfast. Turn around time from incident to crushing response is very swift. Not so much so when you have 6 months of boat travel for a round trip. Had the British been closer where communications had been better and re-inforcements more swift in arrival we never would have stood a chance and the kids would read about the sons of patriots be hanged for treason. That long voyage time really hurt them though. There is barely enough time to get a splinter out of your finger if you get on onboard when traveling from England to Ireland.
The fact that the Houses in Britain didn't take that into better consideration shows how little they thought of our resistsance.
Today's entries have another win for the missionaries.
Nov 14th 1802
After the sermon, in the presence of some visiting heathen women, Br. Kulge baptized in Jesus' death our old Frenchman's wife of the Pottowattemi nation, and gave her the name Theresia. All present, both the members and the heathen visitors, were very attentive and much moved by the solemn act. The gracious presence of God was strongly felt during the entire service. We thanked the Lord with humble hearts for this, the first fruit from the Pottowattemi nation, and pray that through her, in His own good time, others of her nation may be converted to the Savious and become a reward of His sufferings. In the evening Br. Lukenbach conducted the meeting.
Nov 14th 1805
An Indian family came here to stay with us over winter, as they said, because the sister of the head of the family (the Cherokee woman) lives here. When we asked him for the real reason of his coming, he said " I bought a pig in your village and I want to look after it so that it will not come to harm this wintere. Meanwhile I will attend your meetings if I feel like it." We told him that we were glad that he had visited us, but that we would be all the happier if he had come here for no toher purpose than to hear the Word of God, especially since he expected to stay some time, etc.
Not much to work with today but it does illustrate that the Indians still own the land and the missionaries have no ability to actually enforce people leaving their village. The Indians know this. They really are quite benign about it until late 1804 when things begin to slowly unravel.
I don't really feel much like keeping this up daily over the weekend so here are the next two days worth as well.
Nov 16th 1801
Sr. Mary went to Waopocamikunk to visit her sick brother. (your first chance to use your handy map!) Since the map can be a bit tricky to figure out, Waopocamikunk is near present day Daleville and carries a slightly different spelling on the map.
Nov 15th 1802
And the following days our Indians were busy making raccoon traps in the woods. As our old Indian bretheren are too feeble to hunt big game they try to support themselved by catching raccoons and beavers. The Indian evening meetings were held this week in teh usual manner. During these days the weather was unually warm.
Nov 15th 1803
The bretheren Kluge and Luckenbach dug the grave for the deceased child, the two bretheren Joshua and Jacob being confined to bed, the one suffering from a sore foot, adn the latter from an old bruiseon his chest. Because the father of the child declined to dig the grave we had to take the place of the gravedigger so that the child might have a decent burial. In the afternoon the funeral of little Charlotte was held. After a short address, there being no Indianbretheren to do it, Br. Luckenbach carried the little body to our God's Acre, where it was interred, the rgular liturgy for the occasion being used.
Nov 16th 1803
Br. Kluge preached the sermon on Matt 9:2. In the evening Br. Luckenbach conducted the meeting. After the sermon Catharine, the wife of John Thomas, came to Br. and Sr. Kluge and said: "My little child is now buried and I am no longer hindered to return to Goshen . I now realize full well that it is not for our good to remain here any longer. There are too many temptations here , in that we are constantly visiting back and forth among our friends, all of whom are heather who seek to lead us astray. In Goshen we have no opportunity for such wicked things." Br. Kluge answered her: "We are glad to hear it. To our sorrow we have long since seen that with your visiting among your friends your hearts have become quite cold, and you have fallen into all sorts of sinful ways. As you know yourself, and as we have long feared, you are in danger of losing yourselves and children entirely among the heathen. You know how oftern we have warned and begged you to give up your evil ways and turn again to the Saviour, but all in vain. Now however we thank the Savious who has given you this mind to return to Hoshen. We regard you as a brand plucked from the fire."
Anyone want to guess as to how far they get in this journey?
Nov 15th 1804
We spoke individually with our member and we had reason to rejoice over all most heartily, especially over those who had given us many anxious thoughts recently. They confessed themselves very sinful and showed that they longed for the grace of the Saviour. We could heartily thank the Saviour and His Spirit for His untiring faithfulness and forbearance with which he follows our Indian Christians. Of this their testimony gave clear proof.
16th 1804
In the evening we had a mission conference at which an Indian brother was readmitted to the Holy Communion.
The missionaries often removed from communion services Indians who were unrepentantly acting bad.
Nov 15th 1805
In the evening we sang a Passion liturgy, the visiting Indian family being present.
There you go.
So after a few days worth here is this still easy to follow or is it getting too hard to keep up by posting 5 years worth of material on the same day? If I slow it down I can just about promise I don't have the dedication to keep this up for 5 years...
Oh yeah, I should point out that when they are talking about going to Goshen they are not referring to Indiana. That doesn't exist yet. They are talking about eastern Ohio.
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kpaul.mallasch great meet-up tonight. hope you can make the next one!
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Zia hopes that everyone who attends tonights meet-up has a good time.
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jacquline i think moderators are doing a good job, there is no fighting. things get off topic but get back on them pretty fast.
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Yep, they have a history there too!
What's your question? The fact that it is important for American History?
Like stars across the sky … . E per avvincere ….. Tu dovrai vincere ...
We were born to shine …All of us here because we believe......
Ah. I don't know of any good Irish history sources. While my grandfather was Irish and I really enjoyed the class it was an extension of English history for me. You can't really figure out how some of the English nobles came to the conclusions that they did on how to best manage the American colonies until you study how they did it in Ireland. Needless to say they learned the wrong things in Ireland. For example, when the Ulster folks thumb their noses at the governing bodies and say screw you...someone gets on a boat and sails back to England. It take a VERY short time and when you wake up the next morning British expeditionary forces are there eating your breakfast. Turn around time from incident to crushing response is very swift. Not so much so when you have 6 months of boat travel for a round trip. Had the British been closer where communications had been better and re-inforcements more swift in arrival we never would have stood a chance and the kids would read about the sons of patriots be hanged for treason. That long voyage time really hurt them though. There is barely enough time to get a splinter out of your finger if you get on onboard when traveling from England to Ireland.
The fact that the Houses in Britain didn't take that into better consideration shows how little they thought of our resistsance.
Dang, I hijacked my own thread
But that was really cool thank you...
Like stars across the sky … . E per avvincere ….. Tu dovrai vincere ...
We were born to shine …All of us here because we believe......
You are certainly welcome.
History is the best predictor of future actions.
Giggity
Today's entries have another win for the missionaries.
Nov 14th 1802
After the sermon, in the presence of some visiting heathen women, Br. Kulge baptized in Jesus' death our old Frenchman's wife of the Pottowattemi nation, and gave her the name Theresia. All present, both the members and the heathen visitors, were very attentive and much moved by the solemn act. The gracious presence of God was strongly felt during the entire service. We thanked the Lord with humble hearts for this, the first fruit from the Pottowattemi nation, and pray that through her, in His own good time, others of her nation may be converted to the Savious and become a reward of His sufferings. In the evening Br. Lukenbach conducted the meeting.
Nov 14th 1805
An Indian family came here to stay with us over winter, as they said, because the sister of the head of the family (the Cherokee woman) lives here. When we asked him for the real reason of his coming, he said " I bought a pig in your village and I want to look after it so that it will not come to harm this wintere. Meanwhile I will attend your meetings if I feel like it." We told him that we were glad that he had visited us, but that we would be all the happier if he had come here for no toher purpose than to hear the Word of God, especially since he expected to stay some time, etc.
Not much to work with today but it does illustrate that the Indians still own the land and the missionaries have no ability to actually enforce people leaving their village. The Indians know this. They really are quite benign about it until late 1804 when things begin to slowly unravel.
I don't really feel much like keeping this up daily over the weekend so here are the next two days worth as well.
Nov 16th 1801
Sr. Mary went to Waopocamikunk to visit her sick brother. (your first chance to use your handy map!) Since the map can be a bit tricky to figure out, Waopocamikunk is near present day Daleville and carries a slightly different spelling on the map.
Nov 15th 1802
And the following days our Indians were busy making raccoon traps in the woods. As our old Indian bretheren are too feeble to hunt big game they try to support themselved by catching raccoons and beavers. The Indian evening meetings were held this week in teh usual manner. During these days the weather was unually warm.
Nov 15th 1803
The bretheren Kluge and Luckenbach dug the grave for the deceased child, the two bretheren Joshua and Jacob being confined to bed, the one suffering from a sore foot, adn the latter from an old bruiseon his chest. Because the father of the child declined to dig the grave we had to take the place of the gravedigger so that the child might have a decent burial. In the afternoon the funeral of little Charlotte was held. After a short address, there being no Indianbretheren to do it, Br. Luckenbach carried the little body to our God's Acre, where it was interred, the rgular liturgy for the occasion being used.
Nov 16th 1803
Br. Kluge preached the sermon on Matt 9:2. In the evening Br. Luckenbach conducted the meeting. After the sermon Catharine, the wife of John Thomas, came to Br. and Sr. Kluge and said: "My little child is now buried and I am no longer hindered to return to Goshen . I now realize full well that it is not for our good to remain here any longer. There are too many temptations here , in that we are constantly visiting back and forth among our friends, all of whom are heather who seek to lead us astray. In Goshen we have no opportunity for such wicked things." Br. Kluge answered her: "We are glad to hear it. To our sorrow we have long since seen that with your visiting among your friends your hearts have become quite cold, and you have fallen into all sorts of sinful ways. As you know yourself, and as we have long feared, you are in danger of losing yourselves and children entirely among the heathen. You know how oftern we have warned and begged you to give up your evil ways and turn again to the Saviour, but all in vain. Now however we thank the Savious who has given you this mind to return to Hoshen. We regard you as a brand plucked from the fire."
Anyone want to guess as to how far they get in this journey?
Nov 15th 1804
We spoke individually with our member and we had reason to rejoice over all most heartily, especially over those who had given us many anxious thoughts recently. They confessed themselves very sinful and showed that they longed for the grace of the Saviour. We could heartily thank the Saviour and His Spirit for His untiring faithfulness and forbearance with which he follows our Indian Christians. Of this their testimony gave clear proof.
16th 1804
In the evening we had a mission conference at which an Indian brother was readmitted to the Holy Communion.
The missionaries often removed from communion services Indians who were unrepentantly acting bad.
Nov 15th 1805
In the evening we sang a Passion liturgy, the visiting Indian family being present.
There you go.
So after a few days worth here is this still easy to follow or is it getting too hard to keep up by posting 5 years worth of material on the same day? If I slow it down I can just about promise I don't have the dedication to keep this up for 5 years...
Oh yeah, I should point out that when they are talking about going to Goshen they are not referring to Indiana. That doesn't exist yet. They are talking about eastern Ohio.I think the pacing is fine. What about everyone else?
Kpaul and I know who they are. Maybe Patriotdan (being a history buff) can figure out who they are. Hoping Kpaul doesn't reveal who they are yet.
I haven't yet. Was waiting for you to arrive. ;)
Welcome aboard! Talk to Krol about your reward for going from a lurker to a poster. :)
Good to have you here.