Mar 20, 2010, 6:10 pm

1 Dead at Plant in New Albany

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"NEW ALBANY, Ind. — Authorities were investigating a shooting at a home in Southern Indiana this morning when the gunman crashed a vehicle through a Pillsbury plant's security gate nearby and fatally shot a man, officials said.

“When he went through the gate, that's where the incident occurred,” New Albany Police Capt. Keith Whitlow said.". . .

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090805/NEWS02/90805017/1+fatally+shot+at+S.+Ind.+plant

This involves a plant I have been to many, many, times in my work. I know a lot of the folks that work there and have been unable to get in touch with any of them since this happened this morning.

I find it very surprising to hear about due to the amount of high tech security they maintain and the gauntlet you must go through just to get onto the property!


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*Albany

Man, wish I could edit that!


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Yeah, I know what you mean.

Tough security is probably why the guy rammed the gate.  How far could he get in an effort to shoot someone?


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Bard wrote:

Yeah, I know what you mean.

Tough security is probably why the guy rammed the gate.  How far could he get in an effort to shoot someone?

 

He could have got into the lobby of any of the buildings but that is about it. He would have access to the entire parking area though for sure. They have armed security at the gate, and all traffic has to come in and out that gate including deliveries and pick ups.

Once past the gate employees must scan into each building to unlock the doors, visitors must remain at the guard building at the gate until the guard is notified by the party they are there to see that they may walk to the building.

Once there you must wait for the party you are there to see to unlock the doors and let you in after visual verification.

My guess is they have security video of the whole incident too, since every square inch of that place is under the unblinking eye of the cameras. . .


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UPDATE: 

This whole incident involves a love triangle gone bad. . . 2 men, one woman. One of the men found out about the other, went to the woman's home in a rage and fired an unknown number of shots. He then went to work, (both men worked there), and shot and killed the second man at the unloading dock location after crashing through the gates.

 The name of the victim has been released but not that of the shooter. He will be formally charged tomorrow at which point his ID will become public. 

Thankfully I did not know any of the parties involved!

The incident has sent a devastating shockwave throughout the location though, and a number of employees witnessed what transpired. . . 


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I'd throw out that batch of Pillsbury product if I were them. I'm serious. 


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So essentially the only thing all of that security did was prevent the victim from being able to carry a weapon in which he could have defended himself?

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Sounds like he was ambushed.  Unless he expected the attack, there's a good chance he couldn't have defended himself from it anyway.


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We'll never know the answer to that because the victim was denied the ability to carry the tools which would have allowed him to beable to do so.

These sorts of incidents often remind me of a video I saw of an attorney being "ambushed" and repeatedly shot at by a former client in which the attorney was literally dodging bullets dashing back and forth behind a tree as the gunman tried to assassinate him.

I kept thinking if that attorney only had a handgun of his own, he might have been able to defend himself.

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Richard wrote:
So essentially the only thing all of that security did was prevent the victim from being able to carry a weapon in which he could have defended himself?

Security. . . yes. But then again how many of us want to work for a facility that utilizes security akin to a federal maximum security prison?

Concealed carry at work? - No. . .

I am a strong advocate for carrying firearms, however unless your business is security, protection of the life and limb of a client, or law enforcement I believe the line should be clearly drawn there. Leave it in a lock box in your motor vehicle? Okay. But carrying it while working "at the biscuit factory" or any other workplace that does not involve policing or protecting others, sorry I cannot agree. 

We have enough workplace violence to clearly demonstrate how dangerous that is. (Not including the returning and armed disgruntled employees). Add to it the propensity of the workforce to tryst outside of their relationships at the place they work and arming these individuals is asking for major problems to put it mildly.  .  .

 


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Palehorse wrote:

Richard wrote:
So essentially the only thing all of that security did was prevent the victim from being able to carry a weapon in which he could have defended himself?

Security. . . yes. But then again how many of us want to work for a facility that utilizes security akin to a federal maximum security prison?

Concealed carry at work? - No. . .

I am a strong advocate for carrying firearms, however unless your business is security, protection of the life and limb of a client, or law enforcement I believe the line should be clearly drawn there. Leave it in a lock box in your motor vehicle? Okay. But carrying it while working "at the biscuit factory" or any other workplace that does not involve policing or protecting others, sorry I cannot agree. 

We have enough workplace violence to clearly demonstrate how dangerous that is. (Not including the returning and armed disgruntled employees). Add to it the propensity of the workforce to tryst outside of their relationships at the place they work and arming these individuals is asking for major problems to put it mildly.  .  .

 

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Thank you for your answer.  Those are my sentiments exactly, but watching the directions that several of the threads are going lately, I had decided not to enter the fray on this one.  After spending well over 3 decades in large industrial complexes, the thought of armed employees is not a comforting thought (even for someone who believes that individuals should have the right to carry a firearm as I do). 


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